Wednesday, June 28, 2023

"Vieux Carre."

...how does the Orb drink now? Or eat, or hear? Also, don't run out to your local bar and order a vieux carre, it's supposedly a somewhat difficult drink to mix. 

Marvel cosmology is weird, and nowhere near internally consistent...like most concepts of heaven and hell. We're maybe swiping from Hellblazer a bit here, namely the "Dangerous Habits" storyline: the Punisher has sent a lot of sinners to Hell. Wouldn't Hell want him to keep killing, keep the supply line going? Moreover, Hell is seemingly all about torment, less for any sort of redemption then for its own sake, but having Frank down there feels like maybe it would be too much? Like Frank would take over from the devils, punishing the sinners...and himself. It's been a few years since I've read a Marvel book set in or mentioning their assorted Hells; it's a bit old-fashioned. (I'm personally agnostic sliding into godless more all the time, if that explains anything.)

4 comments:

Mr. Morbid's House Of Fun said...

I definitely do agree that Frank's worth more in the grand scheme of things alive than dead for all the reasons listed & then some, especially the part where Mephisto, or whoever is running Hell wouldn't want to risk Frank taking over the place. I mean letting Johnny Blaze do it was ok because he was never going to be the kinds of trouble & personal headaches that a Frank Castle would be.

Reminds me a lot of when Chapel died from HIV/AIDS, then briefly took over hell until all of that was retconned.

Same result, minus the HIV/AIDS part.

I can also believe that, if we were to psychoanalyze Frank, and what shrink, but fictious and real would pass up on that grade A, juicy opportunity, him killing criminals in place of killing himself sounds about right.

Never heard of that drink before, but it sounds good enough.

H said...

Just repeat to yourself, 'It's just a comic book, I should really just relax.'

Sorry- couldn't resist a MST3K joke, with a setup like that. Seriously though, I don't think demonhood works like that in anyone's continuity. You can have it bestowed upon you or taken away from you but it's not like skee-ball, where if you get it if you have enough points. No one's going to let Frank be a demon (Cosmic Ghost Rider excepted, because who knows what the hell was going on with that), so he'd never become Lord of the Underworld no matter how powerful he was.

Not that death really even matters that much in comics, considering how common it is to come back. That's probably why Kurt's so cavalier about it- he's practically got frequent flier miles. I doubt this is the end of Frank- he's too much fun to not come back.

H said...

@Mr. Morbid: I doubt anyone without a death wish would try to psychoanalyze Frank.

'Tell me what you see in these pictures.'

'Guns.'
'Blood.'
'Knives.'
'What are you trying to pull here?! My mother was a saint!' *budddabuddabuddabuddabudda*


Something like that.

Mr. Morbid's House Of Fun said...

@H: Actually, according to the rule of comics, anything can happen, so if a writer & editor want Frank to rule hell for a stretch like some weird ass time share, he'll do it.

Sadly death means less & less by the day & year, especially amongst the big two lately. The recent death of Kamala Khan is very recent example of the revolving door on crack that is death at Marvel.


Yeah I could see a session going like that, yeah. I mean, that's if Frank's even in a talkative mood. Only two reasons, besides the writer's discreetion I can see why Frank would ever be in a therapists' office; undercover work bc a known mob boss or drug-dealer is also there, or prison-mandated.